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michele bachmann may have won this weekend's iowa straw poll, but rick perry has stolen her thunder. he's come out swinging at other gop hopefuls and implied that president obama doesn't love this country. can america afford to have a radical version of george w. bush in the white house? today on his bus tour here in minnesota, the president said one of the most trouble things i've ever heard him say about organized labor in this country. we'll play the clip, and i'll have commentary. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >> i think you want a president that is passionate about america. that's in love with america. >> two days into the race and rick perry is already blowing that tea party dog whistle. once again, a governor from texas is shaking up the republican field. tonight fexz political strategist harold cook, professor michael eric dyson and bush's brain, co-author rick moore on the rick perry candidacy.
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the obama jobs tour is tearing through the midwest. i'll ask my fellow minnesotans what they want to hear from the president. >> what are you going to do to create the jobs? there's no money. >> and the billionaire coach brothers have a new project. robert greenwald is here with the latest on the koch brothers role in resegregateing north carolina schools in north carolina. >> glad to have you with us. the republican party i guess has found a candidate to lead them to the promiseland. texas governor rick perry wasted no time jumping out in front of the pack of republicans trying to make barack obama a one-term president. perry showed america exactly what he's made of on the stump in iowa today. >> i get a little bit passionate about that. that's okay. i think you want a president that is passionate about america. that's in love with america.
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>> perry just inferred president obama is not in love with the united states of america. you know, folks, this is the same garbage with heard from sarah palin and all the tea party attack people in country. i think there's an element of racism every time they claim the black president doesn't love this country. he comes from the country club that says president obama is other, not like you. perry also wants you to know he's pro-business. >> i'm a pro-business governor. i don't make any apologies about it, and i will be a pro-business president. getting america back to work is the most important issue that faces this country. being able to pay off 14.5 or $16 trillion worth of debt. that approximate big black cloud that hangs over america.
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>> that black cloud perry -- perry makes bush look like a moderate. he thinks that social security and medicare are unconstitutional. he doesn't like the 16th or the 17th amendment, and he suggested texas might want to see seed from the union. radical rock star ted nugent wore a confederate flag t-shirt at his inauguration. perry wants to bury those steers and he wants to bury them by pushing how great texas is. >> i'm proud what we've done in the state of texas over the last decade. over half of the jobs created in america during periods of time in that decade was in the state of texas. 40% of all of the jobs created in america from june of 2009 to the present were created in texas. i know how to create jobs.
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you let the private sector free them up from overtax nation, free them overregulation and late gags and the government get out of the pay and let the private sector do what the private sector know how to do. that's what we need to be all about. >> perry's right. he knows how to create jobs. really bad jobs. according to the bureau of labor statistics, texas leads the nation in minimum wage workers. texas also leads the nation in people without health care. perry wants to spread that file you're failure all across america. >> one of the first things i'll do add president of united states is to wipe out as much of obama care as i can. and then we'll work with the united states house of representatives, we'll work with the united states senate to wipe that piece of legislation completely off the books and
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talk with the states on how to use their innovative approaches and we'll be able to get better health care and give more health care and do it cheaper than washington ever could. >> we'll just do it opposite of every other industrialized country in the world, and we won't do it as as well. in one weekend he made mitt romney irrelevant, turned the tea party against michele bachmann and won the hearts and minds of every christian conservative in this country. he's as radical as he was and he'll turn america back over to the rangers and pioneers that lined bush's pockets. speaking of money, perry has raked in more than $100 million of donations from big business as governor of texas. exxon mobile and valero energy are his biggest oil donors, sxwren the koch brothers are going.
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they're going in his back pocket big-time. his policies aren't good for america. if he can fool enough people, he could be the next president. america, take some advice from george w. bush. >> there's an old saying in tennessee, and i know it's in texas and probably in tennessee that says fool me once, shame on -- shame on you. fool me -- you can't get fooled again. >> oh, yes, one of the all time greats. get your cell phones out. will america get fooled again and you could always go to the new blog at ed.msnbc.com. i'll bring you the results later in the show. joining me right is jim moore, how karl rove george w. bush presidential and msnbc political
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analyst michael eric dyson professor of sociology at georgetown university and the author of the book, can you hear me now? thanks for joining me tonight. michael, you first. rick perry has inferred that president obama doesn't love america. is there an element of racism in that comment in your opinion? what do you think? >> absolutely. i think you made it explicit, ed. they're trying to suggest that president obama doesn't love america, is not loyal to america, is not patriotic, does not see, think, believe and imagine what is best for america. it's a deeply and profoundly racist comments because, number one, president obama is president of the united states of america. number two, he has continued to show his deep and abiding loyalty to this nation by putting it first and center at his consciousness and in all of his practices. this notion that barack obama doesn't love america, we need a president who loves america is
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to constantly blow the dog whistle of right wing politics that suggests that this is the other. this person is outside the parra parameters of our normal politics. we know that us is very limited and narrow. >> michael, do you think independent voters will buy this garbage garbage? do you think that president obama should respond to this? this is the same garbage that we heard from the tea partiers back in early 2009. then the birthers got involved, and now we've got probably at least one of the top three candidates early on here. rick perry throwing this dog whistle as you said. do you think independents will buy it, and do you think the president should respond? >> i think that it is cause for concern, and the reason for worry. i think enough people may be snookered and hood winked by this kind of politics of implication to suggest that he's less than and not equal to our dear old america.
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so he's not american mom, apple pie. he's not the center of our hearts, and as a result of that, we have to get rid of him. that's a dangerous message, and enough people might hear it. strategically president obama has to get on that stamp and has to articulate the basis for balder dash and talk about why he's best for country and what it means to love america. >> jim moore, is this the rick perry you know from texas or is this a different twist in the way he plays against his opponents? >> this is the same guy. i think the whole business with the black cloud wasn't exactly very subtle. it's interesting to hear him talk about the states and the way the states deal with health care. the way he death with it in texas so privatize it. we lost 147,000 people, mostly young people, children, off of the c.h.i.p. health rolls because of the fact he privatized it.
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a lot of his jobs came from president obama. they came from the stimulus program. they also came from an accident of geography. we happen to have a state involved in the energy industry, and a lot of jobs came from there. there's tech coming to texas in the silicon hills here in usa stin. the bottom line is as you suggested, ed, that many, many, many of these jobs are low income and they're minimum wage jobs. they're at walmart and carl's jr. they're at a big box store selling fishing rods. if rick perry really loves america as he was convincing everybody today, why was he talking about ceceding from it? >> perry is not a fan of the 16th or the 17th amendment. this is what he said to say today about the 2nd amendment. take a look. >> there's my second amendment down there in the front row.
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you know what? that's kind of one of my favorite amendments. you know that. second amendment allows me to go jogging with my daughter's daughter over here, and if a coyote jumps out i can take care of it. >> does that play with independent voters, or is that rick perry jargon? >> it plays well with the hard right. the very conservative people that are the basic grass root of the primary process. those are the people he wants to turn out. it's the same thing. everybody is talking about dog whistle politics, ed, and that prayer rally in houston, that's exactly what that was. that was sending a message to everybody in iowa and every christian evangelical within the gop primary process to say, hey, everybody, i'm just letting you know i'm not a mormon. this is the big, ugly secret that the gop doesn't want to talk about that, in fact, they
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did not see any evangelicals or christians within their primary process who will vote in any meaningful way for at mormon. perry played very carefully to that group of voters. he's doing what he does very well. he's sending out the subtext and the messages that fires up his base. >> and we're going to talk more about that faith element in this race for the gop nomination a little later on in the show. i want to ask you both quickly. jim, you first. is he more radical than george w. bush? is this guy on all the issues across the board more radical than bush? >> rick perry has to compromise in him. he won't meet anybody in the middle on his principles. >> we know what that's about,
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michael. what about that? >> for a preview of rick perry, see for reference the tea party debacle that sunk this country and cost us a rating of aaa. that's the kind of non-compromise and non-investment in the politics of cooperation that we'll see from a president. it's very scary. yes, to answer your question, i think he's far moorad cal and dangerous and far more sub versive and far more of a problem than george w. bush. >> he's had more news in 24 hours on the campaign trail that mitt romney has made in a month. great to have you with us tonight. jim moore, thanks for your time. remember to answer's tonight's question at the bottom of the screen. now that governor perry has burst onto the presidential scene in a big way, we'll see how he stacks up against mitt romney and michele bachmann. president obama hit the road today, but i hit the streets in minneapolis to ask the foolgs
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welcome back to "the ed show." a senior official has confirmed what democrats said about the downgrade of the nation's credit rating. it wasn't caused by both political party but by one political party, the gop in particular, tea party republicans. the senior director of s&p said the problem was that people in the political arena were talking about a potential default. that a country even has such voices by a minority something not notable. this kind of rhetoric is not common amongst aaa sovereigns. the director didn't mention republicans by name, and didn't need to. it was tea party republican who is openly talked about default. this kind of rhetoric, the s&p officials found so alarming, the
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welcome back to the ed show. the closer you look, the scarier he gets. governor rick perry has blasted onto the presidential race, and he's happy to take on the republican rivals. he was asked about mitt romney today. >> romney took a swipe at you today saying he has private sector experience and that makes him better qualified to create jobs. >> give him my love. >> what do you think about that,
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sir? that he has private sector -- >> i think oranges and apples. running a state is different from running a business. what i would say is go take a look at his record when he was governor and like at my record when i'm governor. then you have apples to apples. >> and perry impressed the crowd when he was in michele bachmann's hometown of waterloo, iowa. perry gave his stump speech, answered questions, and mixed with the crowd. then it was bachmann's turn. >> please welcome to her hometown of waterloo, representative michele bachmann. >> where is michele bachmann? well, it took four long minutes for bachmann to get to the podium. her handlers changed the
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lighting for the candidate. they introduced her a second time and started the campaign song a second time. the crowd stood and waited. people in the crowd complained about her campaigning like a celebrity. one tea party activist said that he had been a fan until now. the quote is her coming in not eating dinner with us, showing up with a grand entrance with a big song playing, it's not what it's about here. let's bring back georgetown professor michael eric dyson and harold cook. thanks for being here tonight. of course, mitt romney has, i think, another problem with rick perry. i want to see romney go out and tell the christian conservatives, hey, i'm your guy. michael eric dyson, what does it mean now that there's an evangelical christian up there against the mormons. i don't think the hard christian right in this country will go with a mormon in any way, shape
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or form if there's an acceptable candidate from your faith. your thought science. >> you're right, ed. the reality is the evangelical right is concerned about a narrow conception of religious, even a more narrow conception of christianity. there's no way they will side with mitt romney as a mormon against the identifiable brand, the one they know, which is rick perry. this guy preached jesus to 30,000 people in a stadium. he continues to i think in a dangerous way fuse church and state. i think this evangelical plays strictly to the conservatives in his party, and there's no way they will in contrast to that evangelical ethic he he spouses embrace a man whose religious outside the parameters that's unknown to them. >> somebody likes the guy town there.
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he's been elected three times governor. what about it? >> well, i don't know. i don't know if he's such a hero for being elected a governor for three times. since 1994 the only thing that you as a republican have needed to be elected statewide in the state of texas is to avoid being the democrat. now, on the question of religion, i think i agree with what's been said. mitt romney has a huge problem, and that problem is most likely to be dealt with at rick perry's expense. rick perry, he carries his faith on his sleeve. he went down to houston a couple saturdays ago, and he had this big six flags over jesus thing and made sure everybody in the country knew that he was praying to jesus. what that was really about is to make sure that everybody knew where he was, the 900-pound gorilla in the room as far as evangelical voters are concerned and everybody knows where mitt romney is.
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for right or wrong, i think they'll have trouble with it, and i think that's to perry's advantage. i'm scared of it. >> harold koch, what do you make of perry versus bachmann? bachmann has been that christian conservative out there and true to the values, but now here comes rick perry and it's a problem with bachmann, is it not? >> rick perry has been faking genuine for so long that he's better at it than bachmann, i'm afraid. bachmann has been alone in the field or this front for a long time. rick perry will come in and look very genuine to voters in iowa, new hampshire, especially south carolina. i think bachmann has a huge problem on her hands in that perry may seem to those voters to be everybody that bashman is except for believable. >> what do you make, michael eric dyson? let's move ahead of the aircraft a little bit. let's say that rick perry gets the nomination. a radical republican isn't going
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to pick a moderate for a running matd mate. a radical republican won't pick somebody who is going to be less conservative. what does this say about where the party is going? has the tea party been so influential on the right that they can actually make sure one of theirs gets the nomination? >> sure. people immediately think what a stroke of genius it would be for rick perry to choose michele bachmann should he get the nomination as his running mate because then you have apples and apples. you have two deeply conservative figures who have embraced the tea party as the authentic expression of republican ideology. i think you're right. regardless of who he choses, that person will be calculated to a win a segment he's not fluent in. as a result of that, i don't think that person can stray far from his conservative base. in speaking to what you said earlier, mormonism is the problem for romney.
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gender is the problem for bachmann. questions circulating about whether or not she will be unduelly differential to her husband in acknowledging the man. rick perry is her substitute husband, and people within the politics of gender within far right circles will adhere to perry's line of reasoning. i think that's a huge problem. yes, the democratic -- the vice presidential candidate he chooses will be deeply conservative and i think he spells poison for bachmann and romney. >> is this like a throw-back to barry goldwater? how far back does this take the republican party? >> a lot of people, i think, in the early states of republican primary voters are making a mistake right now in that they compare rick perry to george w. bush. it's a national compareson.
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they were both texas governors. they sound a lot alike like me. we've been joking in texas that george w. bush is kind of a thinky one next to that. it's really easy to underestimate rick perry. he's very cagey. he's a very, very good campaigner and hasn't put much thought for effort into governing as far as i can tell. it's equally easy to overestimate rick perry. i don't think any of his competition needs to decide, okay, we lost this for sure because perry is in the race. he's never been in a solid race that is a fair fight against some republicans who are funded and effective and have a compelling message. i think that's an untested deal for perry. >> well, speaking of money, he can sure rake it in. it will be interesting to find. great to have you guys with us tonight. thanks so much, gentlemen. coming up, president obama stopped in iowa on his jobs tour and made what i think is one of
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we've had this big discussion in this country about
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workers' rights and collective bargaining and sure enough president obama goes out on the campaign trail and holds this event in iowa today and the president was asked an interesting question about the rights of public employees across america. but it was his answer that really caught my attention. listen closely. >> what can you do to help support collective bargaining in the states and most of all support the public -- the public sector unions, the middle class, many of whom are union members? >> there are a whole range of things that people take for granted even if they're not in a union that they wouldn't have had if it had not been collective bargaining. i do say to my friends in the public sector unions that it is important that you are on the side of reform where reform is needed. we talked about shared sacrifice and burden sharing. well, this is an area where there has to be burden sharing as well. >> what?
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did i hear that? that is the most troubling thing that i have ever heard president obama say. these workers have already made a lot of sacrifices, mr. president. you know that. i can tell you one thing, folks. there's not one union leader in america who would back the president on that statement. this is the candidate in 2008 who said that he would be proud to walk the pickett lines with union workers, and i think the president is probably still there. if you want to dissect what he just said, you could make the case that he sides with governor walker in wisconsin. it's like the president is giving up on the middle class. when we come back, we'll hear from regular working minnesotans who told me today what they would say to the president if they had a chance to sit down and talk with him about jobs and the economy. later, 21st century segregation, it's happening in north carolina. it's made possible by the koch brothers. the latest efforts to turn back
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what can you do to help support collective bargaining in the states and most of the suspect the public sector unions, the middle class, many of whom are union members? >> there are a whole range of things that people take for granted even if they're not in a union that they wouldn't have had if it weren't for collective bargaining. i do say to my friends in the approximate public sector unions that it is important that you are on the side of reform where reform is needed. remember we talked about shared sacrifice and burden sharing. well, this is an area where there's got to be burden sharing as well. >> wow, that was president obama speaking to a former public educator, a teacher. former teacher at a town hall event in iowa earlier today. his answer has got me worked up, folks.
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this has nothing to do with whether i like or support president obama. i'm just not on that page. mine i mean, the president is saying to teachers if you're in a union, you need a lecture and you need to understand what shared sacrifice is? i don't think teachers in this country need any kind of song and dance or lecture from the president of the united states when it comes to shared sacrifice. so i need a second and third opinion on this one tonight. let's bring in joan walsh editor at large for salon.com and joe madison with us tonight. help me out here. give the president a little cover here, joan. did you hear what i heard there? he's basically throwing middle classers under the bus after all the corporate tax breaks, after all the bush tax cuts extensions he's turning to union workers and saying, you got to bite the bullet, too. what do you make of that? >> obviously, union workers and other workers have already sacrificed. the thing about shared sacrifice
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is when do we get to share it? we sacrifice, workers sacrifice, and the corporate america never does. so that part of it is disturbing. you know, it's part of the president's campaign, though, to be the most reasonable man in the room and to be the person who's above this partisan fray and to convince americans that he's willing to make the tough compromises that other politics won't. i'm not sure in this economy that that's going to be a terribly convincing message, but his advisers are sticking to it. >> what do you make of it, joe? can this it president get re-elected saying this to the middle class? >> no, not saying that. i can't give him cover on this. look, shared sacrifice, public employees are being told to pay more into health care. they're being told of pensions. you know, that's exactly what's happening. they're sacrificing their future. i think he's going to have to
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regroup on this one, and you know, it's like so often you get a direct question, and you don't -- you get an indirect answer. and that's what you got from him on that one. he blew it on this one, ed. people think we're always on the president's side and we'll always agree with him, but no. on this one he blew that answer. there's no question about it. you don't talk to a teacher like that. i have a son-in-law who is a teacher. he may or may not be working this fall. you know, they're taking teachers. now they are teaching to the tests. you know, public service jobs are often known as professional jobs, professionals are part of the middle class. they've reduced teachers now to doing what? teaching to a test so that they are nonprofessionals. that's what's going on in this country. >> no doubt. the president kicked off his economic bus tour here in minnesota today. he had a town hall meeting, and i went to the streets here in minneapolis and asked people in
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minnesota what they would say to president obama if they had a chance to talk to him about jobs. if you had a chance to sit down with president obama, what would you tell him about jobs and the economy? >> i'd tell him to stop selling out our fellow americans to the globalists. it's more important to protect jobs than to have cheap products in walmart. >> if i could talk to the president, i'd tell him what i think what he's doing is the right thing, but the bigger issue is the taxes. that's where i would immediately go. you can't continue to give corporations tax breaks because they'll move into your town and say they'll give you a few jobs and not do anything for your city. >> what would you tell him about jobs? >> he better get working on it and not take a vacation and get congress back to it and get things back on track pronto. >> if you had a chance to talk to the president, what would you tell him about jobs? >> you know, i'm not sure, because i don't feel like the lack of jobs is due to anything
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he's done. he's met with a lot of resistance from congress and republicans. >> do you think he's doing a good job? >> i think he's doing the best he can. i don't believe the president has that much influence over all of the economy by himself. the government has a larger influence, but the president by himself especially with a gridlocked congress is hard to make changes he sees fit, especially with the republicans controlling the house right now. >> the way i look at it is he's a leader of a broken system. that broken system is not that much different than being a manager of the sports team. he's the leader. he has to find a way to get people together. >> do you think he can do it? >> i think he can do it. i tend to be republican, yet, bill clinton was able to get people on both sides of the fence to work together. >> joan walsh, the president says he wants to listen to people on these town hall meetings. from that sample of voters, what can he take away from that?
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>> well, you know, you have at least one person who understands that he's up against a really entransient republican party and there's a limit to what he can do. we've talked about this before. periodically i may sound like he can wave a wand and put everybody back to work. he can't without congress. however, ed, you know, i just listened to him today and it sounds like he's running against congress, not the republicans. he's doing that bipartisan, trans partisan thing, talking about parties that won't compromise when there's one party that won't compromise and it's the republican party. i'm glad to see him out there talking about jobs, but i don't know what's going to come of it. >> joe madison, the president says he'll have his job plan out when the republicans come back in september. is he going to get any help in your opinion or are they going to object strakt everything and turn this thing to 2012 and run on a failed economy? >> i've said he could come up with a cure for the common cold,
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and he wouldn't get any help from this republican party. remember, this is the same party that -- let's say they did help him, and let's say that we were able to get a couple of million jobs going by march. now who gets the credit? it will be the president of the united states. they are hell bent on making sure they do what? this is what limbaugh has said, this is what the leadership has said. i'm holding here a release from representative jan shakowski of illinois. she's proposed a $221 billion plan, and it would create 2 billion jobs. it's police officers, firemen, job corps. guess what? republicans won't even get it out of committee. >> joe madison. >> it's a good plan. >> always a pleasure.
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interested? let's talk. looking good. (bike bell) he's arguing for a tax increase on the wealthy in the "times" op ed because he and his well-to-do pals can afford it. he writes my friends and i have been coddles long enough for by a billionaire friendly congress. it's time for the government to get serious about shared sacrifice. warren buffett writes the percentage he pays is lower than most. i paid 17.4% of my taxable income. that's actually a lower percentage than was paid by any of the other 20 people in our office. well, republican presidential
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candidate mitt romney gave an explanation as to why rich people end up paying less taxes. >> you might say yeah, but still, why don't you raise the taxes on the rich some more? well, i'll tell you, i'd read an article in the boston globe it said the problem with the rich people is many are smart. >> that's the problem with the rich in this country. according to the mittster they aren't smart enough to figure out all the tax loopholes that he and his superrich benefit from at the expense of everyone else. coming up, it was a tough weekend for the pizza man, herman cain. he finds himself in the zone tonight. psycho talk is next. stay with us. the winning horse you could have picked. ♪ that "old flame" you should have called. ♪ that leap of faith you never took.
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in psycho talk tonight, i guess you could say it was a tough weekend in iowa for herman cain. the pizza man didn't deliver. he finished fifth in the ames straw poll behind bachmann, ron
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paul, tim pawlenty and rick santorum. well short of the result herman cain had hoped for. according to him earlier in month he said i don't believe that i have to win the straw poll, but i do believe that i need to finish in the top three. today herman cain was confronted with his own words on fox news. >> you also said before the straw poll that you needed to be in the top three. do you still believe that? >> no. >> come on, herman. you can't change the rules after the game. i mean, if the pizza isn't ready, it's not on time, is it free? any new predictions. >> i will finish the number five in iowa. that's right where i want to be. if we finish in the top five in new hampshire, women be he can ecstatic. >> ecstatic with fifth place. don't set the bar too high, herman herman. what about supporters.
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>> how do you keep them revved up with that kind of number out of iowa? >> see, we're running a different type of campaign. it's called a bottoms-up campaign. my supporters were thrilled with that finish. >> you hear that. his supporters were thrilled that he lost to rick santorum? last week herman cain, you see he -- i guess you could say he had won the lines of the night. it really applies more than ever after this weekend. >> america's got to learn how to take a joke. >> changing your tune after you said you needed at least a bronze in the ames straw poll is goalpost moving psycho talk. school segregation brought to you by the koch brothers. i'll talk about it. the billionaire's latest pet project with robert greenwald, and what did rick perry say about ben bernanke?
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inside the board meeting the scenes more chaotic. protestors chanting and singing and locking arms so police could not carry them away. >> why were those folks fighting arrest at a school board meeting? just ask billionaire barrons charles and david koch. a new film by robert greenwald tells the story of how the brothers bank rolled a campaign to resegregate a southern school system. that's right in america. in a moment robert greenwald will join me, but first a little background. wake county school district in north carolina is one of the nation's largest, and it's one of the first school districts to implement an income-based integration system. no more than 40% of a school's students could be getting sub subsidizes lunches. they say the policy was a success. quote, smoft most diverse schools are in the poorest sections.
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and then along came the koch-backed astroturf group americans for prosperity. they got involved in the local school board elections, funding and organizing candidates who wanted to end the district's busing policy. the koch-supported candidates ran in support of what they called neighborhood schools and against what they called forced busing. coded language that was also used in the segregated south. >> the school board crossed the line with forced busing. >> forced busing is absolutely a code word. it's a term used in the south by george wallace. neighborhood schools means we have our own schools, and the blacks have theirs. >> we heard loud and clear across this country people wanted a neighborhood school's model. >> we should have our right to choose our own neighborhood school. >> in one election they have the majority needed to change the way students are assigned to school.
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>> a big shake-up on the wake county school board could impact tens of thousands of local families. >> just like that the district began to phase out one of the nation's best efforts at school integration. is this america in 2011? you bet it is, folks. it's happening. joining me now is the documentary filmmaker robert greenwald. his latest film is about wake county elections called koch brothers he can posed. why do they want to end public education? mr. greenwald, good to have you with us. why do they want to end public education? is this the tip of the iceberg? >> yes, it is the tip of iceberg, ed. these are men that gave over almost $20 million in think tanks that work to create a ideological framework about why public education is a file you're. failure. they believe in the destruction of virtually anything and everything that our government can provide.
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it's a sad day when we see them using their money, intervening in a local election and honestly doing whatever they can that's destroying the fabric of democracy by trying to buy their ideas. >> if local school board elections are going to be bought by people like the koch brothers, what does that leave us with? >> it leaves us with a democracy for sale, and that's what they believe in and that's what their ideology is. what they're cleaver at is they buy the politicians, they pay for judges, they buy grass root activists and they try to make sure that the laws are changed so that their money can then not be tracked. so it's this whole web if you will supported as we know by a right wing echo chambers. this is what happens when you have money less loose and gros inequities in the way the society works and you have capitalism without any restraints whatsoever.
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they're the poster children for this kind of behavior. >> and, of course, they're all about local control. they're all about infiltrating the local politicians and privatizing. that's really where they want to go. reduce the obligation of the taxpayers and privatize absolutely everything you can get your hands on. of course, who will get the education? the wealthy. the economically challenged in this country will be left behind and we'll have a pool of cheap labor, which is exactly what they want. we'll have you back talking more about this, because i think this is a big story. thanks for doing that documentary. tonight in our survey i asked with rick perry running for the gop nomination, will america get fooled again? 40% of you said 40% said yes and 60% said no. that's the "ed show." the republicans ake and bake. let's play "hardball."

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